Religious Right is Wrong

[Anime Monster]

From me

My philosophy: "There's a time and a place for everything, and that's college, but you should have a primer in everything before you get there."

Then there's the whole religious right preventing s*x ed classes from being realistic. This is my opinion: "High schoolers are going to have s*x, at least tell them a way to prevent unwanted pregnancies." The religious right *fumes* is full of f**k**g imbecelles who preach absentance to children and than preach anti-abortion...HOW THE HELL ARE CHILDREN SUPPOSED TO LEARN ANYTHING WHEN EVERYONE WANTS TO PUT THEM IN AN UNREALISTIC BUBBLE WHERE EVERY GIRL HAS A PINK PONY AND EVERY BOY IS PITCHER OF THEIR LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM? The world isn't perfect, and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something... *fumes*

EDIT: Okay s*x is a bad word, but hell isn't? *raises eyebrow*

Okay, this is something that seriously rubs me the wrong way.

I'm a Christian, but if we continue to ignore the way the world really is, and it says in the bible it's this way (though indirectly), then we are leading ourselves like sheep to a slaughter, and I don't want to be running around with my head cut off.

Enough farm allusions, really. This has gone on long enough. If we are ever going to move forward we can not keep moving back. The religious "right," in some grand scheme of creating a perfect godly world, can not accept that humans are incapable of it.

We need safe guards like condoms, abortion, police, ect. to protect ourselves from the sin that grew out of a single apple. Really, I don't think teens should be f**k**g like bunnies, but I do think they should at least be taught how to prevent pregnancy when they do or the religious "right" should stop attacking abortion if they are not going to be proponents for safe s*x.

Because frankly, ignoring the truth when you know it is not living blissfully in ignorance, it's almost as bad as being the one who sinned.

Eve didn't only bite an apple, Adam did, too, and while people like to place all sin on Eve because she knew, Adam knew he shouldn't eat the fruit and ignored it.

[LadyRiona]

Yay, philosophical-ness! lol

When you said the stuff about teenagers and s*x and the church bashing abortion, it's because they usually look down upon s*x before marriage. So, that should just cover all the bases of, abortion is bad because it's the killing of unborn babies, and you wouldn't have to do that in the first place it you hadn't had s*x before you got married anyway!

I mean, yeah, teenagers are going to have s*x, it's just the world today, and the only way to try to keep it from happening is just parents telling their kids, "Hey, this is stupid. But if you don't want to listen to me when I tell you not to have s*x, then listen to me when I tell you to use protection." I mean, like you said, the protection is important, too, but I just think that s*x is something for after marriage.

[Anime Monster]

I agree, I'm a virgin still and if I never marry I'll probably die a virgin. I don't really mind, but I know with the way the media is today and the way everyone is in today's age that kids will have s*x whether we want them to or not.

Now I don't like the idea of killing a baby, but I'm pro-choice and I don't beleive a baby is literally a baby until it exits the mother's womb and takes it's first breath in the outside world.

But about the protection thing... It's true that the religious right doesn't want us to have s*x, but they won't even allow and have succefully lobbied for only negative affects of condoms to be mentioned. The fact that they sometimes, rarely, fail and not what they should be saying which is that they are often, mostly, successful in preventing pregnancy.

Teachers aren't allowed to say the good condoms can do. My mother told me that in home ec. her classmates and her learned to put condoms on bananas. That was the seventies, and if they could do it then, why can't we do it now?

Then there is the fact that everything is set in opposition to what are bodies tell us is right. Our bodies tell us that s*x is right and that we should do it, while the rules tell us s*x is wrong. Long ago it used to be that the only way one could become close to god was during sexual intercourse, or, truthfully, during an orgasm. Obviously, that doesn't happen today and those days have long died out, but if people thousands of years ago had figured it out, doesn't that prove that we are driving our soceity further and further into a new dark age?

The dark ages were a loss of social refinement, ie. the arts (which have been declining), and a flocking to the church which was allowed to run everything, even for awhile after dark ages. It wasn't until America that religious tolerance excisted after all. It used to be that Protestants were killed en masse in France because the king was a Catholic and didn't like the idea of people deserting the Catholic church (which I personally think is one mistake after another, and as a fact was participating in the Spanish Inqusition).

*bangs head against something* It's all well and good that they put there faith in god, but it doesn't seem god is truly listening anymore, at least not completely. Maybe he's preparing for something big, but we need take care of things on earth and stop looking at what comes after death. After all, it's just the "next great adventure."

*sighs* Oh, and I'm a Christian, just so you know. I'm not trying to convert people to a satan worshiping tree-hugging cult, though I'm a liberal. I'm what you could call, The Religious Left.

Oh, and on a different religion...Athesists...My opinion: IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY "UNDER GOD!" DON'T F**K**G SAY IT!

[LadyRiona]

lol, animon, about the Atheists...I have a friend who is atheist, or agnostic, one...It bothers me a little and we've had discussions about it in the past, but he had the whole, If a conversation does have a tangible point, it isn't valid thing going on...whatever it is. I learned it in science, and it's already gone...

I am a Christian, too, without a denomination. My church is a community church and we just worship and learn about God there. My youth pastor doesn't encourage s*x, but he isn't like downright, "You've had s*x before marriage, you're going to hell." Stuff like that. He's very clear in that, if you're going to do it, use protection, etc. He'd prefer you not to, but then he can't make your decisions for you. That's the same with drugs, too.

I heard from someone that, after like three months after the baby's conception, it is considered a living, breathing human being or something like that. Abortion after three months is akin to murder. Of course I heard that a while back in my old church...

I think He's probably preparing for something big, too, because of all the freaking hurricanes going on...but I don't think He's stopped completely listening. Maybe it's just us that aren't listening completely to Him.

And not trying to tag anyone with that above statement, either. Just laying my two cents on the table.

[Anime Monster]

I'm nondenominational and don't go to church, to many hypocrits to go to church. That whole s*x and hell arguement annoys me.

I'm a liberal flying so far into left field that I'm nearly a foul ball. I disagree with the Iraqi war, support stem cell research (I have a long argument for that one), pro-choice, anti-death penalty, pro-War in Afganhstan (catch Bin Laden, now, Bush), anti-cloning (I have an arguement for that one), and several other things. People that are completely for or against an issue, though, usually haven't looked at the other side of it. Because I'm a former journalist, though, I generally want the big picture.

Now, stem cell research...

1) My brother's a diabetic, and I'm at risk for it, so are my children, if I ever have them, and his, if he ever has them. We want a cure and stem cell research has the possiblility of being that cure.

2) My biggest goal in life is to make life easier or help someone in need...isn't that most people's? Abortion is legal, but the embryos are destroyed afterwards, shouldn't we do something constructive with them. Even if we believe that life starts at consception, shouldn't we be doing are best to make those lives lost mean something. If they are given over to scientific research they may be able, one day, to make someone's life a whole lot easier.

3. Don't we want to cure chronic and terminal illness?

Pro-choice...

I'm not saying, everyone should go out and destroy their babies, I'm only saying the following:

1) The foster child system and orphanges are overpopulated, the world is overpopulated, it may sound uncaring, but I honestly think that if we support birth control and abortion we may be able to save hundreds of more children than the amount killed. Look at Africa...if someone taught them abortion there wouldn't be so many kids with AIDS, if they were given birth control there wouldn't be so many kids with AIDS, starving and poverty would also be slashed without so many children, and the life expectancy, I think, would actually rise.

Anti-cloning

ONE'S ENOUGH OF EVERY PERSON, plus a human's personality is made up of a set of circumstances, to recreate a life would me to recreate millions of more lives, situations, deaths, activities, etc....it isn't worth it. Plus, I've read The Giver, I do not want to live in a world of "Sameness," I like my colors, thank you very much.

And those are the one's that I have the most issue with, other than the war, which has no bearing in this conversation and which I could go on for days about.

[LadyRiona]

Well, I'm still against abortion. A good percentage is because I was brought up with the opinion that is it wrong. Then, my own individual opinion is that I just don't think it's right. One of those decisions that you make without realizing it, forming a thought without thinking it.

As for some of the political stuff, I'm not too big on politics. I mean, I knew who was running for governor here and a what a few were, politically standing. My parents are Republican, but I know that I will probably have to form my own opinion one day or other, if I plan to vote. But anyway, I leave politics to my friend, who wants to become president one day. When he runs, I'll let y'all know. But we have quite a few years.

I don't, personally, think that if you have s*x before marriage you're going to hell. I believe that, if you've accepted Christ and become a Christian, unless you do something horribly wrong that is on the spiritual death sing list, you'll go to Heaven. I try to do my best as a Christian, to set a good example for unsaved people around me, but I'm not perfect. I sin. I've told white lies before, but I usually feel badly about it. But that's why there's forgiveness, right? I mean, my brother and his girlfriend....long story there, but she's staying this week with him and my mom is just like, "I don't want a grand child! If you feel like you're going to marry her one day, then I'll get over it, but please, think wisely!" I mean, yeah, sinning isn't the best thing, we should try to do better, not just to set good examples, but to try to honor God. But, like I said, we aren't perfect; we all will sin one time or other!

I'm not too informed on the scientific research, either (yeah, I tend to veer away from the big topics of people arguing...it can get violent), but I think that it would be great to find a cure for terminal and chronic illnesses, such as diabetes, cancer, and stuff like that. That all sucks. But I'd probably have to get all the facts on the scientific research to really formulate an opinion I can stand by. I don't wanna jump on the band wagon and say the same thing as everyone else.

As for the anti-cloning, I agree. To create an exact clone, like you said, would require the personality formulated just so. And unless they create this super computer that can suck the memories out of one person's head, copy them, shove them back in, and then program the clone with them, you won't get an identical, perfect clone. It'd probably turn to mush! And I'm very happy having one sister, too...two would kill us.

For a lot of stuff up here, I'd probably have to have a lot of the facts to really formulate an opinion on it, but I'm trying my best.

Yes, we do need to try to control the alarmingly high population rate, but we can't just stop telling people to have s*x. I mean, it's just a way of life, in the human nature. And the only way to teach them is someone has to get out there, grab their attention, and teach them. But then it's also up to them to apply it. You can tell someone something a million times, but it doesn't do any good unless they follow the instructions.

[Anime Monster]

Yeah, I know...how often have I been in class where the teacher plainly says an instruction and then the other students don't follow it and wonder what they're doing wrong? It's the same in real life. We tell people murder is wrong, and what do we see, Scott Peterson, Robert Blake, O.J. Simpson, BTK, etc., etc., etc. We need to show them, teach them, drill it into their heads, what they are doing is wrong.

This morning I was watching the news, and while the crime wasn't a major one (unless you are a member of PETA and then its high treason), the punishment was almost exactly the same. The story was a woman took thirty kittens and left them in two state parks somewhere and the judge, after the kittens were rescued, sentenced her to spend the night unprotected, hungry, in one of the state parks she dumped the kittens. An eye for an eye.

But then there's the other side "An Eye for an Eye would make all man blind," Ghandi, and we know that we can't put the person in the same postion as the victim of the crime. We need to, though, teach people reason rather than rules. Rules without reason will never be followed, and the reason has to be sound. Kids at school are told, "No hats," and what do they do, where hats, when they ask "Why?" they are told it's either a gang symbol (Not everyone who wears red is a Bloodz) or that the teachers "want to see your hair," if that's not poor reason I don't know what is.

As soon as a parent lets their child watch Barney or Seasme Street or Dora the Explorer or any other "children's" program, they learn one thing that they're an "individual," and yet constantly we are pushing them, prodding them, into being what we want them to be, all the same. Our society, no matter how much we try to fight it, is a bunch of stereotypes, classes, and conformity. We're all like those Mazda 6 commercials, my question is where's the Mazda?

Sorry, got off on a tangent, there, I'm totally ranting. I have about fifty soap boxes for Al.